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… you're not going to make any money on it. And that's the driving force. You can't hire skilled programmers, for … and they want to see a return. So you have different forces driving you. So a company like Freedom, right now, is not … you're not going to make any money on it. And that's the driving force. You can't hire skilled programmers, for …

… side, but by pushing you down the side, it's also kind of driving you forward, Aaron Preece (06:55): Driving you forward kind of at an angle, I guess. Tony … side, but by pushing you down the side, it's also kind of driving you forward, Aaron Preece (06:55): Driving you …

… the time, and I was also on the phone. And I know it's like driving and being on your cell phone, not ideal … the time, and I was also on the phone. And I know it's like driving and being on your cell phone, not ideal …